Date: 2008-12-28, 11:31AM PST
Dear fellow photographers,
I've been cruising CL for about 5 years now. I find a lot of good work here. I also see a great deal of people placing ads offering to give you a job that doesn't pay so you can build your portfolio. They're often disguised as "internships" or they offer to compensate you later or give you photo credit. Look, it depends on the job. If Vogue is offering you an unpaid internship, take it. Otherwise, you'll find you'll get a few measly photos for your portfolio and not much else in return. The amount of time it takes AFTER the shoot (selection, photoshop), isn't worth the grief. You'll also find that you're not just taking pictures, these jerks want photoshop and sometimes prints. Don't work for free!
SET THE STANDARD AND GET PAID FOR YOUR WORK!
Even if you charge a small fee, get something. You need to eat too and we all need to work together to put an end to the idea that photographers will work for free JUST for portfolio work.
I understand you need material for your portfolio, shouldn't you get paid in the process? Paying your dues is one thing, but that doesn't mean you should subject yourself to slave labor. Do free work, but on YOUR OWN terms. Make it a win/win situation working with models, not cheapo companies looking for freebies.
Do yourself and all your fellow struggling photographers a favor and charge for your work. Set the standard. Times are tough and we all need to work together to make it through this. When you see those freebie ads, email them and tell them to charge for labor. Would you expect someone to mow your lawn for free just so they could get experience?
* Location: Cheaptown
* Compensation: Better working standards for us all!
Sunday, December 28, 2008
Saturday, December 20, 2008
ITS NOT A PILOT
Date: 2008-12-20, 10:04AM PST
Stop calling your presentation or pitch a pilot.
All these wanted ads stating they have no money to do a pilot. Thats a deception, a pilot means a network is interested, and has cut a check for a budget to do one show.
Call it what it is, a presentation.
If you are truly doing a pilot are you trying to double dip?? A pilot budget includes a set producers fee, along with money for cast and crew.
Stop calling your presentation or pitch a pilot.
All these wanted ads stating they have no money to do a pilot. Thats a deception, a pilot means a network is interested, and has cut a check for a budget to do one show.
Call it what it is, a presentation.
If you are truly doing a pilot are you trying to double dip?? A pilot budget includes a set producers fee, along with money for cast and crew.
Sunday, December 14, 2008
Are you hiring crew?
Date: 2008-12-13, 10:22PM PST
If you are hiring crew, please follow basic communication practices. Understand yours is not the only post on cl so calling with "This is Ed calling about your email" won't make any sense to most people.
State the name of your project, and what specifically you are asking for.
We apply for many jobs. We aren't going to know when you just say, "I'm the producer. You answered my post." Since you are not the only person posting on cl you must be specific.
Also, speak clearly. This is important. If you are really a producer or director, you will know the importance of clear communication. Speaking rapidly and slurring your speech tells me you are A. drunk dialing or B. a horrible communicator. Either way, it's not a good way to attract talent or crew to your project. If you've had a stroke and your speech is slurred (and I work with a very talented man who has) then maybe let your first communication be via email, so it's clear who you are and what you expect.
Please...state your name, why you are calling and what specifically you want.
Thank You.
* Location: L.A.
If you are hiring crew, please follow basic communication practices. Understand yours is not the only post on cl so calling with "This is Ed calling about your email" won't make any sense to most people.
State the name of your project, and what specifically you are asking for.
We apply for many jobs. We aren't going to know when you just say, "I'm the producer. You answered my post." Since you are not the only person posting on cl you must be specific.
Also, speak clearly. This is important. If you are really a producer or director, you will know the importance of clear communication. Speaking rapidly and slurring your speech tells me you are A. drunk dialing or B. a horrible communicator. Either way, it's not a good way to attract talent or crew to your project. If you've had a stroke and your speech is slurred (and I work with a very talented man who has) then maybe let your first communication be via email, so it's clear who you are and what you expect.
Please...state your name, why you are calling and what specifically you want.
Thank You.
* Location: L.A.
Friday, December 12, 2008
READ BEFORE POSTING YOUR AD (YES YOU!!!)
Date: 2008-12-12, 5:10PM PST
Your ad must contain vital information, if your ad does no answer these questions do not post it till you can.
1) what crew position are you hiring? Be specific don't say sound, or camera. Do you want production, or post-production, boom, mixer, recordist. DP, camera man, ac.
2) dates and times be as exact as possible. I charge more if I have to drive during rush hour, so if you don't give exact times you are getting my rush hour rate.
3) location, indoor, outdoor, is there power or do I need my own, parking is there parking or do I have to drive around for a half hour looking for a spot.
4) what is in it for me. Do not think that credit is something you should offer because nobody would make a film and not give people credit. Don't say meals unless you are going to state actual food is going to be delivered, because meals means little caesar's. You should never make someone loose money to work on your "Godfather" at least cover there gas to get to your set. Don't say copy unless you are going to deliver, I have worked on 27 projects in the last 2 years I have 8 dvd's.
finally give a little about your project. at least genre. Oh and if you have name or a list celebrities all I can say is prove it!
* Location: YES YOU!!!
Your ad must contain vital information, if your ad does no answer these questions do not post it till you can.
1) what crew position are you hiring? Be specific don't say sound, or camera. Do you want production, or post-production, boom, mixer, recordist. DP, camera man, ac.
2) dates and times be as exact as possible. I charge more if I have to drive during rush hour, so if you don't give exact times you are getting my rush hour rate.
3) location, indoor, outdoor, is there power or do I need my own, parking is there parking or do I have to drive around for a half hour looking for a spot.
4) what is in it for me. Do not think that credit is something you should offer because nobody would make a film and not give people credit. Don't say meals unless you are going to state actual food is going to be delivered, because meals means little caesar's. You should never make someone loose money to work on your "Godfather" at least cover there gas to get to your set. Don't say copy unless you are going to deliver, I have worked on 27 projects in the last 2 years I have 8 dvd's.
finally give a little about your project. at least genre. Oh and if you have name or a list celebrities all I can say is prove it!
* Location: YES YOU!!!
RE: Need Editor for Rock Music Video
Date: 2008-12-12, 3:49PM PST
ARE THESE PEOPLE INSANE. I'M SUPRISED THEY FORGOT TO PROMISE THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE WORK TO COME WITH HUGE PAY. I WONDER WHAT THEY ASK WHEN THEY GO TO THEIR FAVORITE 4 STAR RESTAURANT.
DON'T WORK FOR FREE. IF YOU LET THEM DO IT THIS TIME, THEY WILL JUST DO IT AGAIN. PRETTY SOON, NOBODY WILL GET PAID FOR ANYTHING AND WE WILL ALL BE OUT OF WORK.
* Location: Fantasy land
* Compensation: we will poke you in the eye and light your car on fire.
See the posting below.
I'm looking for an experienced Rock Music video editor who is looking to enhance their reel. There is no pay save for permission to use said video exclusively to enhance one's reel. You must be willing to take direction, work on a schedule and be willing to fully follow through on the project while working with the director to achieve his vision. This project will require some color correction/enhancement/effects using After Effects/Majic Bullet filters or better. You must have your own hardware/software and a good clean deck to capture said footage. Think Three Days Grace and Breaking Benjamin in regards to the style of video I want cut. I have over four hours of great looking HD footage on mini-dv shot on Panasonic HVX's. I have tracking shots, jib shots, hand held, on sticks, whip pans, camera shakes etc. This project needs to be finished ASAP! Please send links to your reels for review and I will be in touch shortly.
Location: SFV
Compensation: no pay
ARE THESE PEOPLE INSANE. I'M SUPRISED THEY FORGOT TO PROMISE THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE WORK TO COME WITH HUGE PAY. I WONDER WHAT THEY ASK WHEN THEY GO TO THEIR FAVORITE 4 STAR RESTAURANT.
DON'T WORK FOR FREE. IF YOU LET THEM DO IT THIS TIME, THEY WILL JUST DO IT AGAIN. PRETTY SOON, NOBODY WILL GET PAID FOR ANYTHING AND WE WILL ALL BE OUT OF WORK.
* Location: Fantasy land
* Compensation: we will poke you in the eye and light your car on fire.
See the posting below.
I'm looking for an experienced Rock Music video editor who is looking to enhance their reel. There is no pay save for permission to use said video exclusively to enhance one's reel. You must be willing to take direction, work on a schedule and be willing to fully follow through on the project while working with the director to achieve his vision. This project will require some color correction/enhancement/effects using After Effects/Majic Bullet filters or better. You must have your own hardware/software and a good clean deck to capture said footage. Think Three Days Grace and Breaking Benjamin in regards to the style of video I want cut. I have over four hours of great looking HD footage on mini-dv shot on Panasonic HVX's. I have tracking shots, jib shots, hand held, on sticks, whip pans, camera shakes etc. This project needs to be finished ASAP! Please send links to your reels for review and I will be in touch shortly.
Location: SFV
Compensation: no pay
re: Looking for videographer with video and sound equipment(3ccd+lav)
Date: 2008-12-12, 3:42PM PST
Come-on you guys...get a clue here...You're asking a cameraman to not only bring his/her gear and shoot with perfection but ALSO be the soundman on top of it!!!! FOR $100!!!! This is so wrong...Hire a Soundman....who's going to hold the boom? How are you going to input 3 audio lines into a camera that only has 2!!! you will need a field mixer!!! Do your research...call a cameraman & soundman 1st and find out what is feasible? there are enough of us out there that will do the work on a budget.. but by the way your email reads it seams that you show inexperience which tells me that your production will end in a disaster (sorry!!)... I don't mind working with inexperience as long as they are open to suggestion(s) and make the most out it in a professional and timely matter....
please don't take this the wrong way...
* Location: Los Angeles
* Compensation: Not a whole lot!!! You should get a little bit bigger budget... IMOP!!!
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>>>>>>>>>>Looking for videographer with video and sound equipment(3ccd+lavelies) (Los Angeles)
Date: 2008-12-12, 2:36AM PST
Hello,
I am looking for a cameraman with his/her own equipment(3 ccd camera and set of 2 lavele and boom mics) for shooting "behind the scenes" of upcoming music video and also interviews with celebrity artists for TV.
The shoot is going to be on 15 and 16 of December, time range from about 3pm to 11pm on Mon and 2 pm to 11pm on Tuesday it's not necessary to stay all production time but exact time to get the most important moments and interviews, but if you interested and want to stay and watch all production you are welcome to do it.
Also you get a meal and a credit for the camera work. The sets are really fun,they are going to be shooting on 35mm cameras, underwater, beach, and house party with many extras scenes. Please e-mail me the list of your equipment and some of your work experience info.
Thanks a lot for your interest.
Location: Los Angeles
Compensation: $100/day
Come-on you guys...get a clue here...You're asking a cameraman to not only bring his/her gear and shoot with perfection but ALSO be the soundman on top of it!!!! FOR $100!!!! This is so wrong...Hire a Soundman....who's going to hold the boom? How are you going to input 3 audio lines into a camera that only has 2!!! you will need a field mixer!!! Do your research...call a cameraman & soundman 1st and find out what is feasible? there are enough of us out there that will do the work on a budget.. but by the way your email reads it seams that you show inexperience which tells me that your production will end in a disaster (sorry!!)... I don't mind working with inexperience as long as they are open to suggestion(s) and make the most out it in a professional and timely matter....
please don't take this the wrong way...
* Location: Los Angeles
* Compensation: Not a whole lot!!! You should get a little bit bigger budget... IMOP!!!
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>>>>>>>>>>Looking for videographer with video and sound equipment(3ccd+lavelies) (Los Angeles)
Date: 2008-12-12, 2:36AM PST
Hello,
I am looking for a cameraman with his/her own equipment(3 ccd camera and set of 2 lavele and boom mics) for shooting "behind the scenes" of upcoming music video and also interviews with celebrity artists for TV.
The shoot is going to be on 15 and 16 of December, time range from about 3pm to 11pm on Mon and 2 pm to 11pm on Tuesday it's not necessary to stay all production time but exact time to get the most important moments and interviews, but if you interested and want to stay and watch all production you are welcome to do it.
Also you get a meal and a credit for the camera work. The sets are really fun,they are going to be shooting on 35mm cameras, underwater, beach, and house party with many extras scenes. Please e-mail me the list of your equipment and some of your work experience info.
Thanks a lot for your interest.
Location: Los Angeles
Compensation: $100/day
Tuesday, December 2, 2008
$$$$Makeup Gigz$$$$$
Date: 2008-12-02, 10:17AM PST
When you decide to "make a movie", or "a video" please know you will need the services of a makeup artist to "tie the tie" on the production. It won't look complete without makeup and hair.
If you feel as though your production isn't worth spending the "extra" money for the makeup artist, then don't seek the services of one.
We keep the continuity and integrity of your scenes. At least a professional MUA does. Its not just "light makeup", "nothing to strenuous", work we are speaking of here.
We deserve the money we should be demanding.
So, the point of the post is, if you can't see the value of the makeup artist in monetary terms, don't look for one.
Thank you
* Location: Hollywood,Burbank,Studio City....
* Compensation: yes, there is pay$$$$
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RE: MAKEUP and WARDROBE (Los Angeles)
Date: 2008-12-02, 11:39AM PST
Internships give school credit.
California minimum wage is $8/hr.
We don't care about your "artistic vision".
Work without pay=SLAVERY.
We will report you to the State labor board.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You get what you pay for,
The Costumers Collective
* Location: Los Angeles
* Compensation: A Living Wage
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in response to all wardrobe ads on craig's list (La metro)
Date: 2008-12-04, 8:28AM PST
I believe it's an insult to ask someone to work for free or for low pay. If you're hiring a professional you should paid them. for a penny payment ask your family members or friends to do the job for you.
There's no such think of credits and meals.. come on... it cost money to rent a camera so if you're going on production you have to have money for everything....
I think all low end production companies, wanna be photographers,etc should be reported to the labor board.
And you people out there don't accept low end offers.... don't believe that working for free or low pay once will get you connected to the next job because it's not going to happen.As long as there are people out there doing the work for free your next job might be in exchange for meals... got it?
Stand up and show some respect for your work!
* Location: La metro
* Compensation: we alll should get paid!
When you decide to "make a movie", or "a video" please know you will need the services of a makeup artist to "tie the tie" on the production. It won't look complete without makeup and hair.
If you feel as though your production isn't worth spending the "extra" money for the makeup artist, then don't seek the services of one.
We keep the continuity and integrity of your scenes. At least a professional MUA does. Its not just "light makeup", "nothing to strenuous", work we are speaking of here.
We deserve the money we should be demanding.
So, the point of the post is, if you can't see the value of the makeup artist in monetary terms, don't look for one.
Thank you
* Location: Hollywood,Burbank,Studio City....
* Compensation: yes, there is pay$$$$
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RE: MAKEUP and WARDROBE (Los Angeles)
Date: 2008-12-02, 11:39AM PST
Internships give school credit.
California minimum wage is $8/hr.
We don't care about your "artistic vision".
Work without pay=SLAVERY.
We will report you to the State labor board.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You get what you pay for,
The Costumers Collective
* Location: Los Angeles
* Compensation: A Living Wage
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in response to all wardrobe ads on craig's list (La metro)
Date: 2008-12-04, 8:28AM PST
I believe it's an insult to ask someone to work for free or for low pay. If you're hiring a professional you should paid them. for a penny payment ask your family members or friends to do the job for you.
There's no such think of credits and meals.. come on... it cost money to rent a camera so if you're going on production you have to have money for everything....
I think all low end production companies, wanna be photographers,etc should be reported to the labor board.
And you people out there don't accept low end offers.... don't believe that working for free or low pay once will get you connected to the next job because it's not going to happen.As long as there are people out there doing the work for free your next job might be in exchange for meals... got it?
Stand up and show some respect for your work!
* Location: La metro
* Compensation: we alll should get paid!
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