Date: 2008-07-01, 2:49PM
Does anyone here NOT respect the art and skill of photography? Just because we are working "freelance" does not mean that we do not take our work seriously, and should not be respected as such.
Why are there so many TFCD or NO Pay ads here? Are we not to be paid for all of our hard work, years of experience, photoshop editing skills, and carrying around all of our EXPENSIVE professional gear?
Do you all really think we do this just for fun, or that because it is somewhat of a hobby of ours that we should not be paid!?! Seriously, if our work was not really worth anything, you'd have your best friend's mom snap a couple of your "modeling" pics with her point and shoot camera...but no, you don't want that! You want professional grade work for FREE, TRADE or CREDITS!! Who cares about credits if you're an up-and-coming "model"?!?! We don't even know who you are, so why would your "credits" offer be of any value to us?
We want to be PAID for our hard work and services that you seek!!!
So please, stop with the disrespect, and offer us fair compensation for our skills that you so desire, and stop trying to devalue it be offering credits, or "FUTURE DEALS".....get real!!
Location: LA, LB and OC
Compensation: There should ALWAYS be Pay!!!
Wednesday, July 2, 2008
Re: Production Crew
Date: 2008-07-01, 2:52PM
Seems like a bad idea to "work" for someone who's only willing to pay some members of their crew. Last time I checked, the make-up artist, wardrobe supervisor, art director, key grip, gaffer, sound mixer and yes even the prop master (no they don't work for the Art Director, they work with the Production Designer to carry out their vision, but are in charge of their own crew, much like Gaffer works with the Director of Photography) were all Key Positions, and as such, should all be paid equally. On the last show I was on, that was about $36/hr. for the first 8, then the overtime kicked in.
Work for whomever you want, just remember there's a reason they only pay some of the crew.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Production Crew
Reply to: ultimaxfilms@yahoo.com
Date: 2008-07-01, 1:33PM PDT
Ultimax Films is seeking the following crew members for a short thriller to be shot from July 18 through July 20 in the Westwood area:
Line Producer, paid
Script supervisor, no pay
Assistant director, no pay
Sound mixer, paid
Property master, no pay
Craft service personnel, no pay
Caterer, paid
Wardrobe, no pay
Make-up artist, paid
Special Effects make-up artist, paid
Production assistants, no pay
Art director, no pay
Director of photography, paid
Grip/gaffer, no pay
Location: Los Angeles
Seems like a bad idea to "work" for someone who's only willing to pay some members of their crew. Last time I checked, the make-up artist, wardrobe supervisor, art director, key grip, gaffer, sound mixer and yes even the prop master (no they don't work for the Art Director, they work with the Production Designer to carry out their vision, but are in charge of their own crew, much like Gaffer works with the Director of Photography) were all Key Positions, and as such, should all be paid equally. On the last show I was on, that was about $36/hr. for the first 8, then the overtime kicked in.
Work for whomever you want, just remember there's a reason they only pay some of the crew.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Production Crew
Reply to: ultimaxfilms@yahoo.com
Date: 2008-07-01, 1:33PM PDT
Ultimax Films is seeking the following crew members for a short thriller to be shot from July 18 through July 20 in the Westwood area:
Line Producer, paid
Script supervisor, no pay
Assistant director, no pay
Sound mixer, paid
Property master, no pay
Craft service personnel, no pay
Caterer, paid
Wardrobe, no pay
Make-up artist, paid
Special Effects make-up artist, paid
Production assistants, no pay
Art director, no pay
Director of photography, paid
Grip/gaffer, no pay
Location: Los Angeles
Tuesday, June 24, 2008
Photographers, U N I T E . . . . . .
Date: 2008-06-23, 7:20PM PDT
To all photographers: STOP WORKING FOR FREE.
Never before did photographers work assignments for free. If you are building your portfolio, work on a commission, percentage basis. Do not work for free. These companies, 'artists' are there to make a buck. Please, let it not be on your time and talent!
You are only hurting yourself. And the industry.
Daily rate used to be in the thousands of dollars. Now, you're lucky when you can get $1,000.00-$1,200.00 a day.
Good luck, and hold your ground!!!!!!
* Location: Los Angeles
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Photographers U N I T E, part 2 (Los Angeles)
Reply to: pierre@pierrecomtois.com
Date: 2008-06-24, 6:14PM PDT
Good afternoon.
No matter what your level is or what field of photography you are in, NEVER work an assignment for free. That means if somebody needs the services, they have to pay for it. It doesn't matter what kind of photography it is, because there is money to be made by a photographer!!!
if you are starting, you obviously need to practice. Do it with and for people that don't need it!!! Headshots? Friends... Products? You buy and return, or you shoot what your friends or family just bought...
If you give it for free, then it is worth nothing... And then people start thinking that photography is worth nothing, and we are where we are now. You will hurt yourself anyway, because people will think that it is not worth much, because people on Craigslist are doing it for cheap or free... We need to educate people, buyers and sellers alike.
So, please, always charge for your services. You are building a career, not a hobby!!!
* Location: Los Angeles
* Compensation: education
To all photographers: STOP WORKING FOR FREE.
Never before did photographers work assignments for free. If you are building your portfolio, work on a commission, percentage basis. Do not work for free. These companies, 'artists' are there to make a buck. Please, let it not be on your time and talent!
You are only hurting yourself. And the industry.
Daily rate used to be in the thousands of dollars. Now, you're lucky when you can get $1,000.00-$1,200.00 a day.
Good luck, and hold your ground!!!!!!
* Location: Los Angeles
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Photographers U N I T E, part 2 (Los Angeles)
Reply to: pierre@pierrecomtois.com
Date: 2008-06-24, 6:14PM PDT
Good afternoon.
No matter what your level is or what field of photography you are in, NEVER work an assignment for free. That means if somebody needs the services, they have to pay for it. It doesn't matter what kind of photography it is, because there is money to be made by a photographer!!!
if you are starting, you obviously need to practice. Do it with and for people that don't need it!!! Headshots? Friends... Products? You buy and return, or you shoot what your friends or family just bought...
If you give it for free, then it is worth nothing... And then people start thinking that photography is worth nothing, and we are where we are now. You will hurt yourself anyway, because people will think that it is not worth much, because people on Craigslist are doing it for cheap or free... We need to educate people, buyers and sellers alike.
So, please, always charge for your services. You are building a career, not a hobby!!!
* Location: Los Angeles
* Compensation: education
Monday, June 23, 2008
RE: Producer/Editor Needed- 3 yrs experince required, and NO PAY?! HA!
Date: 2008-06-23, 1:44PM PDT
So, you want somebody who has 3 years experience as a PRODUCER, who will also be your AVID EDITOR, and be fluent in a second language, to quit their job, and work for you, for free?
OMG, you must be insane, or full of yourself, or some insane kid that is full of themselves!
Do you think that they got all of this experience and training so that they could work for you for free?
Seriously. Thanks for the laughs.
* Location: LOL'sville
>>>>>>>>>>>Producer/Editor Needed (West Hollywood)
Date: 2008-06-23, 1:00PM PDT
I am looking for a producer/editor to begin work immediately. Qualified candidates must have previous television production experience, have firm grasp of television writing and be very familiar with Avid.
Please take a look at the job description below and send me your resume, if you're qualified and interested.
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JOB RESPONSIBILITIES:
• Write scripts, edit material, conduct interviews and b-roll shoots for various types of original, short form programming for television.
• Collaborate with Supervising Producer and Creative Director to insure integrity of the current, on-air “look”.
• Work in Smoke and with On Air Design in graphic package production and other graphics for spots.
• Generate new ideas for short form material.
• Responsible for filling out paperwork and working with other departments to facilitate production and delivery of material.
• Assist Supervising Producer in managing production schedule and delivery goals.
• Assist in versioning of spots, audio sweetening and quality assurance produced spots when necessary.
QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE REQUIRED:
• Three years experience writing and producing for television broadcasts.
• Excellent writing, interviewing and field production skills.
• Proficient skills in utilization of Avid edit system.
• Must be responsible, accurate, creative, organized, self-motivated and able to work under pressure.
• Fluency in second language other than English very strongly preferred.
* Location: West Hollywood
* Compensation: no pay
So, you want somebody who has 3 years experience as a PRODUCER, who will also be your AVID EDITOR, and be fluent in a second language, to quit their job, and work for you, for free?
OMG, you must be insane, or full of yourself, or some insane kid that is full of themselves!
Do you think that they got all of this experience and training so that they could work for you for free?
Seriously. Thanks for the laughs.
* Location: LOL'sville
>>>>>>>>>>>Producer/Editor Needed (West Hollywood)
Date: 2008-06-23, 1:00PM PDT
I am looking for a producer/editor to begin work immediately. Qualified candidates must have previous television production experience, have firm grasp of television writing and be very familiar with Avid.
Please take a look at the job description below and send me your resume, if you're qualified and interested.
-----
JOB RESPONSIBILITIES:
• Write scripts, edit material, conduct interviews and b-roll shoots for various types of original, short form programming for television.
• Collaborate with Supervising Producer and Creative Director to insure integrity of the current, on-air “look”.
• Work in Smoke and with On Air Design in graphic package production and other graphics for spots.
• Generate new ideas for short form material.
• Responsible for filling out paperwork and working with other departments to facilitate production and delivery of material.
• Assist Supervising Producer in managing production schedule and delivery goals.
• Assist in versioning of spots, audio sweetening and quality assurance produced spots when necessary.
QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE REQUIRED:
• Three years experience writing and producing for television broadcasts.
• Excellent writing, interviewing and field production skills.
• Proficient skills in utilization of Avid edit system.
• Must be responsible, accurate, creative, organized, self-motivated and able to work under pressure.
• Fluency in second language other than English very strongly preferred.
* Location: West Hollywood
* Compensation: no pay
Thursday, June 19, 2008
STOP ASKING EDITORS TO WORK FOR FREE!
Date: 2008-06-19, 8:41PM PDT
Why should we fund post-production for a project you didn't even bother to budget for?
Our equipment +
Our Weeks of labor+
Your incompetence =
You make money, We lose money. That's slave labor. What's in it for us?
Flag these losers.
* Location: Slave land
Why should we fund post-production for a project you didn't even bother to budget for?
Our equipment +
Our Weeks of labor+
Your incompetence =
You make money, We lose money. That's slave labor. What's in it for us?
Flag these losers.
* Location: Slave land
Wednesday, June 18, 2008
New Production...
A New film is now casting about a cadre of deadbeat producer/directors who, after being forced at gunpoint by a psychotic part time stand in, Begin to understand that in order to call themselves professionals, They Have to actually PAY THEIR CREW!
Soon afterward they have a successful film and wonder why they tried to do it any other way...
Casting begins soon - send all submissions to this address.
* Location: Long Beach
Soon afterward they have a successful film and wonder why they tried to do it any other way...
Casting begins soon - send all submissions to this address.
* Location: Long Beach
Monday, June 16, 2008
Re: Photographer with Stylist(s) (Anywhere)
Date: 2008-06-16, 12:24PM PDT
Why don't you take your DEMANDS elsewhere! MUST? have EDITED and Portfolio ready images in 3 weeks?? It's not the time frame, it's your attitude that stinks and your demands for RETOUCHED images....Why should I shoot you for FREE and then provide you with retouched images? How about you tell us THAT in your ad.
What makes you so special that I would want to shoot you? Anyone with WORTH and the experience to get the shots you want is thinking this.
If you want Pictures that will get YOU work, you need to pay the photographer who WORKED to get you the pictures. period.
Sincerely,
PUBLISHED PHOTOGRAPHER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Photographer with Stylist(s) (Santa Monica)
Date: 2008-06-16, 11:33AM PDT
I'm female, natural blonde, green eyes, 34C-24-34, repped for commercial and print.
I need commercial images for my book, and glamor images for magazine submissions. Let me know which you are interested in.
Reply with shoot details and URL. Thanks!
Must return edited, portfolio-ready images (9x12) within 3 weeks of the shoot.
* Location: Santa Monica
* Compensation: no pay
Why don't you take your DEMANDS elsewhere! MUST? have EDITED and Portfolio ready images in 3 weeks?? It's not the time frame, it's your attitude that stinks and your demands for RETOUCHED images....Why should I shoot you for FREE and then provide you with retouched images? How about you tell us THAT in your ad.
What makes you so special that I would want to shoot you? Anyone with WORTH and the experience to get the shots you want is thinking this.
If you want Pictures that will get YOU work, you need to pay the photographer who WORKED to get you the pictures. period.
Sincerely,
PUBLISHED PHOTOGRAPHER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Photographer with Stylist(s) (Santa Monica)
Date: 2008-06-16, 11:33AM PDT
I'm female, natural blonde, green eyes, 34C-24-34, repped for commercial and print.
I need commercial images for my book, and glamor images for magazine submissions. Let me know which you are interested in.
Reply with shoot details and URL. Thanks!
Must return edited, portfolio-ready images (9x12) within 3 weeks of the shoot.
* Location: Santa Monica
* Compensation: no pay
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