Date: 2008-08-30, 12:54PM PDT
CL cracks me up. All these weirdos asking for professional services... If you're truly looking for DP's, Editors, and Producers then you have to pay for it. NO ONE works for $100 per day or even $250 per day. It's not professional, it's student pay.. Cameras, Editing facilities, REAL experience, etc., costs money. Real money! No one cares about credits, stipends, or no pay. Real Professionals have experience on union projects. If you want your product to look professional then you have to pay for it. Just because you can afford an HD camera doesn't mean anything. :)
* Location: los angeles
Saturday, August 30, 2008
Wednesday, August 27, 2008
Definitions for the Crew Gigs section
Date: 2008-08-26, 12:44AM PDT
This is a dictionary to help with understanding titles, requirements, and descriptions posted in the Craigslist Crew Gigs section. This may also be useful to other job boards. If anything is missing from this compilation, or needs amendment, feel free to let the creators know.
A-List –
Actual Meaning: Top name, high Q-Score talent.
Meaning on Craigslist: Formerly A-list decades ago, until they developed that nasty habit, and they fell from glory, and the headlines.
Assistant Director-
Implied Position & Responsibilities: Create schedules, keep crew and director on schedule for the day, contacting late crew members, sending out tomorrow’s schedule.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: Assist the director by getting coffee, dry cleaning, picking up food for the rest of the crew.
Award Winning –
Implied Meaning: Prestigious award or recognition for accomplishments.
Actual Meaning: 1) I submitted my film to a festival, and it wasn’t rejected. Not only that, but I got an award, such as Least Despised, Best use of Helvetica Typeface in a Title, or some other nonsensical-feel-good award.
2) Nothing.
Often seen with: Great Experience, Unfortunately, Deferred
Boom Operator –
Implied Position & Responsibilities: Holds boom pole steadily out of frame, consults with sound mixer on best microphone selection, covers for mixer if familiar with the equipment and job responsibilities.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: 1) See Sound Mixer.
2) See PA/Production Assistant
Catering –
Implied meaning: A team that prepares hot meals specifically for the crew every 6 hours.
Actual Low Budget meaning: We went out and got you pizza.
Continuity Supervisor –
See Script Supervisor
Copy/Credit/Food –
Implied Meaning: You will receive a copy of the completed work, proper credit in the film that will appear in festivals and get you more work as a result, and be fed on set.
Actual Meaning: If we ever finish this, you will receive a copy of the film, but unlikely, because of the associated costs of making duplicates. Your name may be put in the credits, if we remember you when we actually finish this thing, probably mis-spelled. You may never actually see them though. You will be fed food. It will probably be pizza or Taco Bell, because it is cheap. You will eat it every day, and it will not change.
Often used with: Great Experience, Unfortunately, Festival, award winning
Craft Service –
Implied Position & Responsibilities: a person or crew whose sole job is taking care of the people engaging in crafts (the film makers) by having finger foods, snacks, and other on set relief’s (such as sunscreen, gum, water, etc) available at a table, as well as sometimes bringing them on set to people that can not leave set.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: We have candy and possibly cold soda on set.
Deferred Pay –
Implied Meaning: You will be paid when we sell this and make money.
Actual Meaning: If/when we will sell this and make money, and unless you follow our film, know where we live, and can prove in accounting that we turned a profit, you wont be paid. See No pay.
Director of Photography/DP:
Implied Position & Responsibilities: Establishing the visual look and aesthetic of the film, guiding the gaffer in lighting styles, operates the camera and composes the shots.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: 1) Holds the camera, uses the light provided, or provides the truck with the equipment, places the lights in position.
2) Double Penetration. Your Efforts, and your wallet.
Often seen with: award winning, Experienced, highly skilled, unfortunately
See also: Equipment (your own)
Easy –
Implied Meaning: Very simple, little effort needed, we know what we are doing and taking about.
Actual Meaning: We have no idea what we are talking about, this will take twice as long as we expect, or longer.
As used on Craigslist: “We need an editor for a quick and easy job. We have 3 hours of tape that needs to have our logo put up in the corner of the screen. This shouldn’t take too long, and can be done in about an hour. Great experience for students!”
Often seen with: Editor, Experienced, no pay, great opportunity.
Equipment (Provided) –
Implied meaning: we have all that you will need, there is no need to rent anything for this project.
Actual Meaning: We were told this would work. Often the equipment was not meant for the job, or is the wrong equipment entirely for the job, or will not work with other equipment that it was intended to.
Example: Kino Ballast for HMI, RCA cable for DVI HD screen, XLR for quarter inch mixer, etc
Equipment (Your Own) –
Your own gear, provided to the project, with no mention of a kit fee/rental charges. Renting equipment and charging it to production is not an option, you MUST have everything. EVERYTHING, including expendables, which will not be reimbursed. Insurance is not mentioned, let alone covering your equipment, so when that PA that is there for the great experience and connections drops it, you shouldn’t get too upset, and should have a replacement on hand.
Expendables –
Actual Meaning: Gear that is used during the process of film making. This includes Gaff tape, paper tape, electrical tape, C-47’s, black wrap, Duvetyne, pens, markers, lens cleaners, air cans, sound reports, moleskin, bounce boards, Velcro, zip ties, bulbs, the list can go on and on. THESE THINGS ARE NOT OUT OF POCKET ITEMS.
Meaning on a Low Budget Production: Provided by department, when it runs out, we can find an equivalent, send a PA to the 99 cent store, or do without.
As seen on Craigslist: -Not seen on Craigslist-
See Also: Kit Fee
Experienced –
Implied Meaning: Highly skilled and highly paid professional.
Actual Meaning: Moderately to Highly skilled, not well paid, if at all.
Often seen with: unfortunately, great connections, experience, IMDB.
As seen on Craigslist: “We need a highly experienced DP with all their own gear and a 5 ton truck to light our Award winning short ‘Summers Dawn’. Unfortunately we cant pay you much now, (only $300) but this will be a great crew, and great food.”
Festival –
Implied Meaning: Prestigious film screening and marketing place, such as Sundance, Cannes, etc.
Actual Meaning: I got accepted at my local High school, community, etc film screening.
Often seen with: Award Winning.
Food –
Implied Meaning: you will be fed food that sustains your energy levels and keeps you motivated to continue.
Actual Meaning: You will get (pizza/fast food burgers/tacos/whatever the 99 cent store has) See also Well fed.
Often seen with: Unfortunately, Great experience, copy/credit/food
Great Experience/ Connections / Opportunity–
Implied Meaning: You will network and learn a lot from the seasoned pro’s that are also working on this set.
Actual Meaning: You will be used and abused, because we don’t know what we are doing, and neither do the department heads. Actual experience earned will be to watch out for people like us.
IMDB-
Implied Meaning: Prestigious recognition of a recognized source.
Actual Meaning: We think the best are posted on IMDB.
As seen on Craigslist: “DP with extensive IMDB credits”, “Applicants without IMDB credits will not be considered!”
Note: IMDB will post just about any project, and some of the most celebrated festival winners aren’t even listed on IMDB. Not everything created gets placed on IMDB
Insurance –
paperwork guaranteeing compensation for loss. Nonexistent on most No/low budget craigslist productions
Intern –
Guaranteed no Pay, Also referred to as slave labor.
See Production Assistant, No Pay.
Location (Neeed) –
Often searching for Apartment, House, or Mansion. No mentions of insurance, or compensation, aside from copy, credit, ability to eat production food (often pizza), as well as huge appreciation from film makers. If compensation is offered, it is $100-300 a day, or flat fee of $1000. No mention if you will be able to access your place during production.
NOTE: Your place WILL be damaged as a result of a film shoot, no matter how careful people are. That is the nature of the business. Insurance covers that, insist on production insurance, and read it to make sure that it covers damage to your property, as well as injuries to crew on your property. Also, check to see that the insurance is valid! Sad to say, but people will fake their insurance paperwork.
No Pay –
Implied Meaning: You will not be paid, compensated for your time, or given any money whatsoever.
Actual Meaning: You wont be paid at all, or compensated for expenses, will be expected to do the impossible, “work” overtime, and be treated like crap.
Often seen with: Great Experience, Excellent Connections
See Also: Slave Labor
Paid –
Implied Meaning: 1) You will be fairly compensated for your time, experience, and expendables.
2) We are professionals, and want to compensate you fairly.
Actual Meaning: You will receive $125 for your time, experience, and expendables.
NOTE: 1) Most CL posters are not familiar with the term ‘expendables’.
2) $125 is just above Minimum wage, not counting overtime.
Party Scene –
Implied Meaning: The shoot will consist of elements of a party, including extra’s drinking, dancing, and having fun. We will shoot this with coverage.
Actual Meaning: We are inviting our friends over, giving them beers, and need you to film it.
As seen on Craigslist: “We will be shooting a party Scene Saturday night, and need Art Dept, a DP, and Sound. No pay, but there will be cute girls and free Beer! Serious Inquires Only”
Often seen with: Unfortunately, great experience, no pay
NOTE: Beer is often included as a form of payment.
Pay –
See Paid
Production Assistant/PA -
Implied Position & Responsibilities: inexperienced learning position, Driver, “gopher”, coffee fetcher, assistant to whomever needs them on set, trash emptier, odd job completer. Often leads to being invited to join other crew members on future shoots.
Actual Low Budget Position & Responsibilities: same, but often for no pay or appreciation, can be a dead end position.
As seen on Craigslist: “We are looking for an awesome PA to help us out in our busy office, scheduling interviews, casting sessions, and go on lunch runs.” “PA needed to work from home replying to submissions via email for casting. Great Experience!” “Experienced PA needed to assist on set, go on runs, and assist busy producer. No pay, Great Experience! Copy/Credit/Food”
Reel –
Actual Meaning: Demonstration of abilities on previous projects in the creative sense, such as Director, DP, Editor, Composer, Art Director or Set Designer.
Implied Meaning: Demonstration of abilities.
As seen on Craigslist: “We are looking for an experienced (grip, boom operator, set dresser, PA) for our feature. Please send reels and résumé’s to this address. APPLICATIONS WITHOUT REELS AND RESUME’S WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED!
Note: These positions are not ones that have reel’s. This is analogous to requiring applicants to McDonlads to have previous and extensive work experience in the food service industry, or not bothering applying.
Script Supervisor –
Implied Position & Responsibilities: Keeping performances to the script, tracking coverage and shots to ensure that everything was covered for editing, maintaining logs for the editing process, taking continuity photographs and maintaining them for later reference when scenes are later referred to, or reshot.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: Picking up the dogshit from the lawn between takes or shoot dates, so we can “maintain continuity”.
Simple –
See Easy
Sound Mixer –
Implied Position & Responsibilities: Upon reviewing script, consulting with camera, lighting, and art department, selects microphones, mixers, and other equipment. Goes on Tech Scouts. Mixes production sound to a recorder and in some cases to camera as well, works with Boom Operator to record clean, crisp audio.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: Show up on the day with all necessary equipment without seeing script and get good sound, even though we are shooting next to the (freeway/airport/railroad/playground). Oh, and here is a PA to hold your Boom Pole. He’s getting great experience!
Unfortunately –
Implied Meaning: We are truly regretful and/or sorry.
Actual Meaning: 1) Bend over and take it, and don't complain.
2) We are incompetent schmucks, and this professional wont put up with our shit.
As seen on craigslist: “Unfortunately, we can not pay you at this time,” “Unfortunately, our (AD/Sound Mixer/PA) had an (emergency/Prior Commitment/mysteriously disappeared), and we need a replacement ASAP.”
Often seen with: Great Connections, Great Experience, Award Winning, Professional
Well Fed -
Implied Meaning: You will get hot, catered meals, and have craft services on set.
Actual Meaning: You get two slices of pizza.
See Also: food, copy/credit/food
This is a dictionary to help with understanding titles, requirements, and descriptions posted in the Craigslist Crew Gigs section. This may also be useful to other job boards. If anything is missing from this compilation, or needs amendment, feel free to let the creators know.
A-List –
Actual Meaning: Top name, high Q-Score talent.
Meaning on Craigslist: Formerly A-list decades ago, until they developed that nasty habit, and they fell from glory, and the headlines.
Assistant Director-
Implied Position & Responsibilities: Create schedules, keep crew and director on schedule for the day, contacting late crew members, sending out tomorrow’s schedule.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: Assist the director by getting coffee, dry cleaning, picking up food for the rest of the crew.
Award Winning –
Implied Meaning: Prestigious award or recognition for accomplishments.
Actual Meaning: 1) I submitted my film to a festival, and it wasn’t rejected. Not only that, but I got an award, such as Least Despised, Best use of Helvetica Typeface in a Title, or some other nonsensical-feel-good award.
2) Nothing.
Often seen with: Great Experience, Unfortunately, Deferred
Boom Operator –
Implied Position & Responsibilities: Holds boom pole steadily out of frame, consults with sound mixer on best microphone selection, covers for mixer if familiar with the equipment and job responsibilities.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: 1) See Sound Mixer.
2) See PA/Production Assistant
Catering –
Implied meaning: A team that prepares hot meals specifically for the crew every 6 hours.
Actual Low Budget meaning: We went out and got you pizza.
Continuity Supervisor –
See Script Supervisor
Copy/Credit/Food –
Implied Meaning: You will receive a copy of the completed work, proper credit in the film that will appear in festivals and get you more work as a result, and be fed on set.
Actual Meaning: If we ever finish this, you will receive a copy of the film, but unlikely, because of the associated costs of making duplicates. Your name may be put in the credits, if we remember you when we actually finish this thing, probably mis-spelled. You may never actually see them though. You will be fed food. It will probably be pizza or Taco Bell, because it is cheap. You will eat it every day, and it will not change.
Often used with: Great Experience, Unfortunately, Festival, award winning
Craft Service –
Implied Position & Responsibilities: a person or crew whose sole job is taking care of the people engaging in crafts (the film makers) by having finger foods, snacks, and other on set relief’s (such as sunscreen, gum, water, etc) available at a table, as well as sometimes bringing them on set to people that can not leave set.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: We have candy and possibly cold soda on set.
Deferred Pay –
Implied Meaning: You will be paid when we sell this and make money.
Actual Meaning: If/when we will sell this and make money, and unless you follow our film, know where we live, and can prove in accounting that we turned a profit, you wont be paid. See No pay.
Director of Photography/DP:
Implied Position & Responsibilities: Establishing the visual look and aesthetic of the film, guiding the gaffer in lighting styles, operates the camera and composes the shots.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: 1) Holds the camera, uses the light provided, or provides the truck with the equipment, places the lights in position.
2) Double Penetration. Your Efforts, and your wallet.
Often seen with: award winning, Experienced, highly skilled, unfortunately
See also: Equipment (your own)
Easy –
Implied Meaning: Very simple, little effort needed, we know what we are doing and taking about.
Actual Meaning: We have no idea what we are talking about, this will take twice as long as we expect, or longer.
As used on Craigslist: “We need an editor for a quick and easy job. We have 3 hours of tape that needs to have our logo put up in the corner of the screen. This shouldn’t take too long, and can be done in about an hour. Great experience for students!”
Often seen with: Editor, Experienced, no pay, great opportunity.
Equipment (Provided) –
Implied meaning: we have all that you will need, there is no need to rent anything for this project.
Actual Meaning: We were told this would work. Often the equipment was not meant for the job, or is the wrong equipment entirely for the job, or will not work with other equipment that it was intended to.
Example: Kino Ballast for HMI, RCA cable for DVI HD screen, XLR for quarter inch mixer, etc
Equipment (Your Own) –
Your own gear, provided to the project, with no mention of a kit fee/rental charges. Renting equipment and charging it to production is not an option, you MUST have everything. EVERYTHING, including expendables, which will not be reimbursed. Insurance is not mentioned, let alone covering your equipment, so when that PA that is there for the great experience and connections drops it, you shouldn’t get too upset, and should have a replacement on hand.
Expendables –
Actual Meaning: Gear that is used during the process of film making. This includes Gaff tape, paper tape, electrical tape, C-47’s, black wrap, Duvetyne, pens, markers, lens cleaners, air cans, sound reports, moleskin, bounce boards, Velcro, zip ties, bulbs, the list can go on and on. THESE THINGS ARE NOT OUT OF POCKET ITEMS.
Meaning on a Low Budget Production: Provided by department, when it runs out, we can find an equivalent, send a PA to the 99 cent store, or do without.
As seen on Craigslist: -Not seen on Craigslist-
See Also: Kit Fee
Experienced –
Implied Meaning: Highly skilled and highly paid professional.
Actual Meaning: Moderately to Highly skilled, not well paid, if at all.
Often seen with: unfortunately, great connections, experience, IMDB.
As seen on Craigslist: “We need a highly experienced DP with all their own gear and a 5 ton truck to light our Award winning short ‘Summers Dawn’. Unfortunately we cant pay you much now, (only $300) but this will be a great crew, and great food.”
Festival –
Implied Meaning: Prestigious film screening and marketing place, such as Sundance, Cannes, etc.
Actual Meaning: I got accepted at my local High school, community, etc film screening.
Often seen with: Award Winning.
Food –
Implied Meaning: you will be fed food that sustains your energy levels and keeps you motivated to continue.
Actual Meaning: You will get (pizza/fast food burgers/tacos/whatever the 99 cent store has) See also Well fed.
Often seen with: Unfortunately, Great experience, copy/credit/food
Great Experience/ Connections / Opportunity–
Implied Meaning: You will network and learn a lot from the seasoned pro’s that are also working on this set.
Actual Meaning: You will be used and abused, because we don’t know what we are doing, and neither do the department heads. Actual experience earned will be to watch out for people like us.
IMDB-
Implied Meaning: Prestigious recognition of a recognized source.
Actual Meaning: We think the best are posted on IMDB.
As seen on Craigslist: “DP with extensive IMDB credits”, “Applicants without IMDB credits will not be considered!”
Note: IMDB will post just about any project, and some of the most celebrated festival winners aren’t even listed on IMDB. Not everything created gets placed on IMDB
Insurance –
paperwork guaranteeing compensation for loss. Nonexistent on most No/low budget craigslist productions
Intern –
Guaranteed no Pay, Also referred to as slave labor.
See Production Assistant, No Pay.
Location (Neeed) –
Often searching for Apartment, House, or Mansion. No mentions of insurance, or compensation, aside from copy, credit, ability to eat production food (often pizza), as well as huge appreciation from film makers. If compensation is offered, it is $100-300 a day, or flat fee of $1000. No mention if you will be able to access your place during production.
NOTE: Your place WILL be damaged as a result of a film shoot, no matter how careful people are. That is the nature of the business. Insurance covers that, insist on production insurance, and read it to make sure that it covers damage to your property, as well as injuries to crew on your property. Also, check to see that the insurance is valid! Sad to say, but people will fake their insurance paperwork.
No Pay –
Implied Meaning: You will not be paid, compensated for your time, or given any money whatsoever.
Actual Meaning: You wont be paid at all, or compensated for expenses, will be expected to do the impossible, “work” overtime, and be treated like crap.
Often seen with: Great Experience, Excellent Connections
See Also: Slave Labor
Paid –
Implied Meaning: 1) You will be fairly compensated for your time, experience, and expendables.
2) We are professionals, and want to compensate you fairly.
Actual Meaning: You will receive $125 for your time, experience, and expendables.
NOTE: 1) Most CL posters are not familiar with the term ‘expendables’.
2) $125 is just above Minimum wage, not counting overtime.
Party Scene –
Implied Meaning: The shoot will consist of elements of a party, including extra’s drinking, dancing, and having fun. We will shoot this with coverage.
Actual Meaning: We are inviting our friends over, giving them beers, and need you to film it.
As seen on Craigslist: “We will be shooting a party Scene Saturday night, and need Art Dept, a DP, and Sound. No pay, but there will be cute girls and free Beer! Serious Inquires Only”
Often seen with: Unfortunately, great experience, no pay
NOTE: Beer is often included as a form of payment.
Pay –
See Paid
Production Assistant/PA -
Implied Position & Responsibilities: inexperienced learning position, Driver, “gopher”, coffee fetcher, assistant to whomever needs them on set, trash emptier, odd job completer. Often leads to being invited to join other crew members on future shoots.
Actual Low Budget Position & Responsibilities: same, but often for no pay or appreciation, can be a dead end position.
As seen on Craigslist: “We are looking for an awesome PA to help us out in our busy office, scheduling interviews, casting sessions, and go on lunch runs.” “PA needed to work from home replying to submissions via email for casting. Great Experience!” “Experienced PA needed to assist on set, go on runs, and assist busy producer. No pay, Great Experience! Copy/Credit/Food”
Reel –
Actual Meaning: Demonstration of abilities on previous projects in the creative sense, such as Director, DP, Editor, Composer, Art Director or Set Designer.
Implied Meaning: Demonstration of abilities.
As seen on Craigslist: “We are looking for an experienced (grip, boom operator, set dresser, PA) for our feature. Please send reels and résumé’s to this address. APPLICATIONS WITHOUT REELS AND RESUME’S WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED!
Note: These positions are not ones that have reel’s. This is analogous to requiring applicants to McDonlads to have previous and extensive work experience in the food service industry, or not bothering applying.
Script Supervisor –
Implied Position & Responsibilities: Keeping performances to the script, tracking coverage and shots to ensure that everything was covered for editing, maintaining logs for the editing process, taking continuity photographs and maintaining them for later reference when scenes are later referred to, or reshot.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: Picking up the dogshit from the lawn between takes or shoot dates, so we can “maintain continuity”.
Simple –
See Easy
Sound Mixer –
Implied Position & Responsibilities: Upon reviewing script, consulting with camera, lighting, and art department, selects microphones, mixers, and other equipment. Goes on Tech Scouts. Mixes production sound to a recorder and in some cases to camera as well, works with Boom Operator to record clean, crisp audio.
Actual Low Budget Requirements/Expectations: Show up on the day with all necessary equipment without seeing script and get good sound, even though we are shooting next to the (freeway/airport/railroad/playground). Oh, and here is a PA to hold your Boom Pole. He’s getting great experience!
Unfortunately –
Implied Meaning: We are truly regretful and/or sorry.
Actual Meaning: 1) Bend over and take it, and don't complain.
2) We are incompetent schmucks, and this professional wont put up with our shit.
As seen on craigslist: “Unfortunately, we can not pay you at this time,” “Unfortunately, our (AD/Sound Mixer/PA) had an (emergency/Prior Commitment/mysteriously disappeared), and we need a replacement ASAP.”
Often seen with: Great Connections, Great Experience, Award Winning, Professional
Well Fed -
Implied Meaning: You will get hot, catered meals, and have craft services on set.
Actual Meaning: You get two slices of pizza.
See Also: food, copy/credit/food
Sunday, August 24, 2008
Low budget live music video shoot - WE DONT WORK FOR TIPS!
Date: 2008-08-24, 1:02PM PDT
Wow. Just Wow.
Not only are you asking for highly skilled people to provide their own equipment, you the go on to further insult them by saying tha tthey are not working for PAY, but for TIPS, and that if you like them you will TIP THEM MORE.
You sir, are an Asshole, and I've seen alot of asshole posts on these boards.
Let me expand on why you are insulting your potential employees:
People that work for tips are happy and cheery because they want the extra money.
In essence, they are forcing smiles and kindness to people that abuse and take advantage of them, because they JUST MIGHT give them more money.
In other words, you are implicitly stating that you are gonna be a bunch of dicks, and that if the professional you are "hiring" wants more money, they have to suck it up ad put up with your shit.
To sweeten the deal, you state that this is "a $50 tip for doing what you love and getting more experience."
YOU ARE ONLY HIRING PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE. Getting more experience off of your crappy project is not going to happen. The people you are getting are professionals, showing up to work, they are not coming "for the experience". Also, people love to work in this business because they love getting paid for what the love doing.
But you are not paying them, you are tipping them.
Once again, the professional that works for you is getting the shaft, and you are more than happy to give it to them.
Grow up, get some real money, and pay them what they are worth. Better yet, learn how to do what you are asking, and then try doing it, and see how you like it when somebody offers you a $50 tip for a $250 job.
ASSHOLE.
* Location: go f yerself
~~~~~~~~~~
Low budget live music video shoot seeks sound and camera people (Torrance)
Date: 2008-08-24, 12:54AM PDT
Need reliable person/people for LOW BUDGET indie shoot.
1) to mix FOH/monitors for a small private live music video shoot this Labor Day (Mon Sept 1st noon - 6pm) in Torrance. Experience reqd. $50 "tip" for the right person.
2) camera person for hand held/tripod camera work using small HDV camera(s). Should have experience shooting live music. $50 "tip" for the right person.
This is a live video shoot of my acoustic trio taped in fairly large a/v studio with an audience, but focusing on video/recording. Good experience/Good people. No drama or partying here, just good clean fun recording a fast down and dirty DVD/CD set live in front of some friends. The trio is two guitars with vocals and a cajon player.
Also will consider paying more to the right people. We will be shooting and recording many projects in the future.
* Location: Torrance
* Compensation: Some Pay, but more like a $50 tip for doing what you love and getting more experience.
Wow. Just Wow.
Not only are you asking for highly skilled people to provide their own equipment, you the go on to further insult them by saying tha tthey are not working for PAY, but for TIPS, and that if you like them you will TIP THEM MORE.
You sir, are an Asshole, and I've seen alot of asshole posts on these boards.
Let me expand on why you are insulting your potential employees:
People that work for tips are happy and cheery because they want the extra money.
In essence, they are forcing smiles and kindness to people that abuse and take advantage of them, because they JUST MIGHT give them more money.
In other words, you are implicitly stating that you are gonna be a bunch of dicks, and that if the professional you are "hiring" wants more money, they have to suck it up ad put up with your shit.
To sweeten the deal, you state that this is "a $50 tip for doing what you love and getting more experience."
YOU ARE ONLY HIRING PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE. Getting more experience off of your crappy project is not going to happen. The people you are getting are professionals, showing up to work, they are not coming "for the experience". Also, people love to work in this business because they love getting paid for what the love doing.
But you are not paying them, you are tipping them.
Once again, the professional that works for you is getting the shaft, and you are more than happy to give it to them.
Grow up, get some real money, and pay them what they are worth. Better yet, learn how to do what you are asking, and then try doing it, and see how you like it when somebody offers you a $50 tip for a $250 job.
ASSHOLE.
* Location: go f yerself
~~~~~~~~~~
Low budget live music video shoot seeks sound and camera people (Torrance)
Date: 2008-08-24, 12:54AM PDT
Need reliable person/people for LOW BUDGET indie shoot.
1) to mix FOH/monitors for a small private live music video shoot this Labor Day (Mon Sept 1st noon - 6pm) in Torrance. Experience reqd. $50 "tip" for the right person.
2) camera person for hand held/tripod camera work using small HDV camera(s). Should have experience shooting live music. $50 "tip" for the right person.
This is a live video shoot of my acoustic trio taped in fairly large a/v studio with an audience, but focusing on video/recording. Good experience/Good people. No drama or partying here, just good clean fun recording a fast down and dirty DVD/CD set live in front of some friends. The trio is two guitars with vocals and a cajon player.
Also will consider paying more to the right people. We will be shooting and recording many projects in the future.
* Location: Torrance
* Compensation: Some Pay, but more like a $50 tip for doing what you love and getting more experience.
Friday, August 22, 2008
RE: Photo Assistant needed
Date: 2008-08-22, 3:21PM PDT
This photographer can't POSSIBLY think they're going to get a capable assistant....
Paraphrasing what was originally posted (below):
I'm looking for a skilled photo assistant with the expert knowledge to setup and run two different professional lighting systems for a really important television show shoot on an expensive location.
I want to see your resume, because where you went to school is really important, and I want to see your picture, because I go for attractive over experienced.
I will pay you $8-10 per hour, about the same as the people working the checkout counter at target. You may also have a burrito and some chips when you are not slaving away for me.
* Location: West Hollywood
* Compensation: pocket change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Photo Assistant needed
Date: 2008-08-22, 1:01PM PDT
Please note : Resume must be in the body of your email, also include a photograph, 2 references and a contact number.
If these are not included, your email will be deleted.
Photographer's Assistant needed for reality show shoot, taking place in a multi million dollar mansion in the West Hollywood Hills.
Show is a national bikini modelling competition and is already scheduled for air time.
Must know both Dyna-lite & Profoto and systems.
* Location: West Hollywood
* Compensation: $100 cash plus credit & lunch
This photographer can't POSSIBLY think they're going to get a capable assistant....
Paraphrasing what was originally posted (below):
I'm looking for a skilled photo assistant with the expert knowledge to setup and run two different professional lighting systems for a really important television show shoot on an expensive location.
I want to see your resume, because where you went to school is really important, and I want to see your picture, because I go for attractive over experienced.
I will pay you $8-10 per hour, about the same as the people working the checkout counter at target. You may also have a burrito and some chips when you are not slaving away for me.
* Location: West Hollywood
* Compensation: pocket change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Photo Assistant needed
Date: 2008-08-22, 1:01PM PDT
Please note : Resume must be in the body of your email, also include a photograph, 2 references and a contact number.
If these are not included, your email will be deleted.
Photographer's Assistant needed for reality show shoot, taking place in a multi million dollar mansion in the West Hollywood Hills.
Show is a national bikini modelling competition and is already scheduled for air time.
Must know both Dyna-lite & Profoto and systems.
* Location: West Hollywood
* Compensation: $100 cash plus credit & lunch
Saturday, August 16, 2008
RE: POLITE Cameraman Needed for Reel-Building Experience
Date: 2008-08-16, 11:53AM PDT
I understand that for some people, working for free is a way to gain experience and make contacts and I won't even go into the pros and cons of doing that....
HOWEVER...
Asking someone to donate their time AND their equipment (camera and lights) that they've invested thousands of dollars with the excuse that "we cannot afford to rent one" is beyond outrageous and idiotic. WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT so someone else's hard earned investment? Why would I loan my expensive gear to a perfect stranger who I don't know from Jack?
How about this: YOU go out and buy your own camera and lights, get into debt by putting it on your credit card, spend months paying it off with interest and THEN get on CL and offer it for free to anyone and everyone (plus your free time and gas).
I guess just because you fashion yourself a "director" is all you need to get people to hand over their expensive property to you.
* Location: GET A CLUE
* Compensation: FLAG FLAG FLAG the idiots
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ORIGINAL POST:
POLITE Cameraman Needed for Reel-Building Experience (Burbank)
Reply to: gigs-799519542@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-08-16, 11:15AM PDT
I am interested in finding a Cameraman to work as a partner with me on a How-To video. It is strongly preferred that you have your own camera, as this is a NO-budget project (for everyone involved, including us) so we cannot afford to rent one. Having your own lighting kit is also a bonus.
What I would like from you: Resume and a Reel if you have one. Since we will be working closely together, I want to make certain that our styles mesh well.
At this time I am actively looking for a Cameraman, but if you have equipment such as a lighting kit and just want to be part of the crew, we would be glad to have you on board as well.
Requirements: A dependable mode of transportation and a high personal work ethic.
What you'll get: Copy/Credit/Sushi
This how-to will air on an online network, as well with possibly other venues, including Tivo and mobile devices associated with the network.
I would like you to understand that I am looking for a creative partner, not an employee. I hope this can be a rewarding, reel building experience for both of us.
Location: Burbank
Compensation: Deferred
I understand that for some people, working for free is a way to gain experience and make contacts and I won't even go into the pros and cons of doing that....
HOWEVER...
Asking someone to donate their time AND their equipment (camera and lights) that they've invested thousands of dollars with the excuse that "we cannot afford to rent one" is beyond outrageous and idiotic. WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT so someone else's hard earned investment? Why would I loan my expensive gear to a perfect stranger who I don't know from Jack?
How about this: YOU go out and buy your own camera and lights, get into debt by putting it on your credit card, spend months paying it off with interest and THEN get on CL and offer it for free to anyone and everyone (plus your free time and gas).
I guess just because you fashion yourself a "director" is all you need to get people to hand over their expensive property to you.
* Location: GET A CLUE
* Compensation: FLAG FLAG FLAG the idiots
-------------------------------------------------------
ORIGINAL POST:
POLITE Cameraman Needed for Reel-Building Experience (Burbank)
Reply to: gigs-799519542@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-08-16, 11:15AM PDT
I am interested in finding a Cameraman to work as a partner with me on a How-To video. It is strongly preferred that you have your own camera, as this is a NO-budget project (for everyone involved, including us) so we cannot afford to rent one. Having your own lighting kit is also a bonus.
What I would like from you: Resume and a Reel if you have one. Since we will be working closely together, I want to make certain that our styles mesh well.
At this time I am actively looking for a Cameraman, but if you have equipment such as a lighting kit and just want to be part of the crew, we would be glad to have you on board as well.
Requirements: A dependable mode of transportation and a high personal work ethic.
What you'll get: Copy/Credit/Sushi
This how-to will air on an online network, as well with possibly other venues, including Tivo and mobile devices associated with the network.
I would like you to understand that I am looking for a creative partner, not an employee. I hope this can be a rewarding, reel building experience for both of us.
Location: Burbank
Compensation: Deferred
Friday, August 15, 2008
Greens Department, Defered Pay, Great Connections
Date: 2008-08-14, 4:46PM
Hi, I'm an award winning producer, and I am looking for a head landscaper to take care of my estate.
This job has great connections.
You must be an experienced landscape architect, and have your work featured in magazines, or TV shows.
Oh, and you should be willing to go on coffe runs as my head landscaper too, because I am such an important producer.
YOU MUST have access to all your own equipment, such as a Large riding tractor lawnmower, pruning shears, fertilizer, etc. I dont know much about this, or what you do, but you must have all of it.
You must have access to a crew of landscapers, all of whom have experience, and have been with you for a while. All of them must be willing to work for no pay initially.
ABOUT MY YARD
It is about 3.5 acres of lush green grass, with a few boulders for aesthetic reasons, and a beautiful fountain. It has high palm fronds, and a beautiful pool with rock that was imported stone by stone from Itally. Your work should complemient my tastes.
This job is for deferred pay. If I win an award in the community gardens competition that I am entering, then I will contact you to give you money. I have already talked to some of the judges, so it is a sure thing!
REPLIES WITHOUT RESUMES, REFERNCES, and PORTFOLIOS WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED!
Looking forwards to many happy days of you working for me!
Compensation: Sun and Fun
Hi, I'm an award winning producer, and I am looking for a head landscaper to take care of my estate.
This job has great connections.
You must be an experienced landscape architect, and have your work featured in magazines, or TV shows.
Oh, and you should be willing to go on coffe runs as my head landscaper too, because I am such an important producer.
YOU MUST have access to all your own equipment, such as a Large riding tractor lawnmower, pruning shears, fertilizer, etc. I dont know much about this, or what you do, but you must have all of it.
You must have access to a crew of landscapers, all of whom have experience, and have been with you for a while. All of them must be willing to work for no pay initially.
ABOUT MY YARD
It is about 3.5 acres of lush green grass, with a few boulders for aesthetic reasons, and a beautiful fountain. It has high palm fronds, and a beautiful pool with rock that was imported stone by stone from Itally. Your work should complemient my tastes.
This job is for deferred pay. If I win an award in the community gardens competition that I am entering, then I will contact you to give you money. I have already talked to some of the judges, so it is a sure thing!
REPLIES WITHOUT RESUMES, REFERNCES, and PORTFOLIOS WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED!
Looking forwards to many happy days of you working for me!
Compensation: Sun and Fun
Saturday, August 9, 2008
To those posting gigs for no pay!
Date: 2008-08-09, 12:07AM PDT
How do you feel about the fact that non-legit companies flagged this origional posting for removal within 30 minutes of listing!!!
To those offering no-pay!!!
You are demeaning yourself by putting out ads for no pay. Are you not intending to make a profit? Even if this is experimental and you have a low budget you still pay your crew. There are enough rip off artist out there running BS production companies; if you would like to add yourself then I am willing to post you up. Many of us are seasoned professionals and have worked hard to establish ourselves over the years. We are not fly by night wanna-be's and are tired of scum like you polluting our industry.
Please reply to this posting from either side of the fence... A web site will launch soon!!!
* Location: Socal
* Compensation: Stop insulting the people whom actually work in entertainment...
How do you feel about the fact that non-legit companies flagged this origional posting for removal within 30 minutes of listing!!!
To those offering no-pay!!!
You are demeaning yourself by putting out ads for no pay. Are you not intending to make a profit? Even if this is experimental and you have a low budget you still pay your crew. There are enough rip off artist out there running BS production companies; if you would like to add yourself then I am willing to post you up. Many of us are seasoned professionals and have worked hard to establish ourselves over the years. We are not fly by night wanna-be's and are tired of scum like you polluting our industry.
Please reply to this posting from either side of the fence... A web site will launch soon!!!
* Location: Socal
* Compensation: Stop insulting the people whom actually work in entertainment...
Tuesday, August 5, 2008
ATT: STEADI-CAM OP. w/ RIG ad from "daytheearthstopped@hotmail.com" -
Date: 2008-08-05, 7:38PM PDT
I just came across this ad from "daytheearthstopped@hotmail.com" below looking for an EXPERIENCED steadicam operator to fly the F900 for $250/day on a feature for 4 days and I am insulted. Number one... no EXPERIENCED operator in their right mind with the rig that can fly the F900 would or should take the job. In order to support the weight and the power consumption of the camera with the necessary wireless focus and maybe a video transmitter your kit has to be worth above $35k unless you are flying a knock off like the basson. At least cover the rental cost... in the minimum range of at least 800/day and maybe... just maybe the $250 for camera operating which will bring it to $1050 and that is nothing because most of us... EXPERIENCED operators with rigs worth $68K don't get out of bed for less than $1500/Day. This is insulting to the steadicam community and the men and women that carry 70bl rigs for hours in order to execute the shots your script need and above all... it diminish what our services are worth. This makes me question the person who posted the ad looking for a cheap EXPERIENCED operator.
Am I wrong here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>STEADI-CAM OP. w/ RIG needed for feature film (Los Angeles)
Reply to: daytheearthstopped@hotmail.com
Date: 2008-08-05, 3:58PM PDT
We are currently looking for an experienced STEADI-CAM operator with their own rig to fly a Sony F900 for 4 days on a feature film, shooting in the last week of August. We can offer $250 per day, plus meals.
* Compensation: $250
I just came across this ad from "daytheearthstopped@hotmail.com" below looking for an EXPERIENCED steadicam operator to fly the F900 for $250/day on a feature for 4 days and I am insulted. Number one... no EXPERIENCED operator in their right mind with the rig that can fly the F900 would or should take the job. In order to support the weight and the power consumption of the camera with the necessary wireless focus and maybe a video transmitter your kit has to be worth above $35k unless you are flying a knock off like the basson. At least cover the rental cost... in the minimum range of at least 800/day and maybe... just maybe the $250 for camera operating which will bring it to $1050 and that is nothing because most of us... EXPERIENCED operators with rigs worth $68K don't get out of bed for less than $1500/Day. This is insulting to the steadicam community and the men and women that carry 70bl rigs for hours in order to execute the shots your script need and above all... it diminish what our services are worth. This makes me question the person who posted the ad looking for a cheap EXPERIENCED operator.
Am I wrong here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>STEADI-CAM OP. w/ RIG needed for feature film (Los Angeles)
Reply to: daytheearthstopped@hotmail.com
Date: 2008-08-05, 3:58PM PDT
We are currently looking for an experienced STEADI-CAM operator with their own rig to fly a Sony F900 for 4 days on a feature film, shooting in the last week of August. We can offer $250 per day, plus meals.
* Compensation: $250
Film Finance 101 (Reality)
Date: 2008-08-05, 8:57PM PDT
If you can't pay your crew, you can't make your movie. If you can afford to rent a top tier HD camera you can afford to pay your camera or lighting dept. If you cant? Don't get top tier gear because you and the crew you are "hiring" won't be able to operate it correctly, making it as useful as a handycam.
Good crews make good movies. Good crews cost money. No money, No Crew, No movie.
* Location: Reality
* Compensation: $1,000,000
If you can't pay your crew, you can't make your movie. If you can afford to rent a top tier HD camera you can afford to pay your camera or lighting dept. If you cant? Don't get top tier gear because you and the crew you are "hiring" won't be able to operate it correctly, making it as useful as a handycam.
Good crews make good movies. Good crews cost money. No money, No Crew, No movie.
* Location: Reality
* Compensation: $1,000,000
Friday, August 1, 2008
Landscaper Needed! Must Have own Equipment, Defered Pay OK!
Date: 2008-08-01, 8:03PM PDT
Hi, I'm an award winning producer, and I am looking for a head landscaper to take care of my estate.
This job has great connections.
You must be an experienced landscape architect, and have your work featured in magazines, or TV shows.
Oh, and you should be willing to go on coffe runs as my head landscaper too, because I am such an important producer.
YOU MUST have access to all your own equipment, such as a Large riding tractor lawnmower, pruning shears, fertilizer, etc. I dont know much about this, or what you do, but you must have all of it.
You must have access to a crew of landscapers, all of whom have experience, and have been with you for a while. All of them must be willing to work for no pay initially.
ABOUT MY YARD
It is about 3.5 acres of lush green grass, with a few boulders for aesthetic reasons, and a beautiful fountain. It has high palm fronds, and a beautiful pool with rock that was imported stone by stone from Itally. Your work should complemient my tastes.
This job is for deferred pay. If I win an award in the community gardens competition that I am entering, then I will contact you to give you money. I have already talked to some of the judges, so it is a sure thing!
REPLIES WITHOUT RESUMES, REFERNCES, and PORTFOLIOS WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED!
Looking forwards to many happy days of you working for me!
* Compensation: Knowledge of Jerks
Hi, I'm an award winning producer, and I am looking for a head landscaper to take care of my estate.
This job has great connections.
You must be an experienced landscape architect, and have your work featured in magazines, or TV shows.
Oh, and you should be willing to go on coffe runs as my head landscaper too, because I am such an important producer.
YOU MUST have access to all your own equipment, such as a Large riding tractor lawnmower, pruning shears, fertilizer, etc. I dont know much about this, or what you do, but you must have all of it.
You must have access to a crew of landscapers, all of whom have experience, and have been with you for a while. All of them must be willing to work for no pay initially.
ABOUT MY YARD
It is about 3.5 acres of lush green grass, with a few boulders for aesthetic reasons, and a beautiful fountain. It has high palm fronds, and a beautiful pool with rock that was imported stone by stone from Itally. Your work should complemient my tastes.
This job is for deferred pay. If I win an award in the community gardens competition that I am entering, then I will contact you to give you money. I have already talked to some of the judges, so it is a sure thing!
REPLIES WITHOUT RESUMES, REFERNCES, and PORTFOLIOS WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED!
Looking forwards to many happy days of you working for me!
* Compensation: Knowledge of Jerks
Copy Credit Meals
Date: 2008-08-01, 3:01PM PDT
Please take a look at the following posting:
Reply to: lawndartproductions@yahoo.com
Date: 2008-08-01, 2:41PM PDT
Short low budget film (20-25 minutes), is looking for Grips, Gaffers, and P.A’s to shoot from August 16th to the 20th. So for those of you who have experience and are looking forward to work with a very talented young award winning director and a great cast. There is no pay but we will provide food, copy, and credit.
please respode with your contact info.
* Location: los angeles
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
* Compensation: no pay
No pay....4 days of work...award winning director. ONCE AGAIN, these idiots think they can dazzle people with words like "award winning". Award winning means they can afford to pay people. At least give them gas...
Here is what I invite everyone who is tired of working for free. Get as much info about the project as possible. Then...notify the California Labor Board. It is illegal to work for free. Minimum wage is 8 dollars an hour.
We need to strike back at these moochs.
"Warning the world, one job at a time"
Please take a look at the following posting:
Reply to: lawndartproductions@yahoo.com
Date: 2008-08-01, 2:41PM PDT
Short low budget film (20-25 minutes), is looking for Grips, Gaffers, and P.A’s to shoot from August 16th to the 20th. So for those of you who have experience and are looking forward to work with a very talented young award winning director and a great cast. There is no pay but we will provide food, copy, and credit.
please respode with your contact info.
* Location: los angeles
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
* Compensation: no pay
No pay....4 days of work...award winning director. ONCE AGAIN, these idiots think they can dazzle people with words like "award winning". Award winning means they can afford to pay people. At least give them gas...
Here is what I invite everyone who is tired of working for free. Get as much info about the project as possible. Then...notify the California Labor Board. It is illegal to work for free. Minimum wage is 8 dollars an hour.
We need to strike back at these moochs.
"Warning the world, one job at a time"
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