Date: 2009-10-21, 10:26PM PDT
While I get what you are saying, people look in the gig section to find PAYING work, however short term it may be. Internship ads belong on the job boards - but many of the people aren't really looking for interns - they are looking for free labor and post in the gig section so they don't have to pay for the ad either. And then they wonder why they don't get the quality of work they were hoping for...
And if it's not an "internship" and it's just plain ol' unpaid, in my book, that's "volunteer" work - and there is a section on CraigsList for that too.
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Original Post:
Nearly every ad on here that is legit but unpaid keeps disappearing.
If you're annoyed by it, just click the "paid" button on your screen when you search. Some of us might be interested in them.
Thanks.
Wednesday, October 21, 2009
Friday, October 16, 2009
Remember the good ol days...
Date: 2009-10-16, 10:54AM PDT
...when the "Crew Gigs" section at least once in a while would actually PAY? When at least once in a while, it would be a significant project; a short film, a low budget feature shot on 35 or 16. Before all these digital cameras came on the market and completely saturated it with wannabe "filmmakers", so that every jerk with a credit card and a camera calls himself a director and wants to hire nothing but free crew on here? Im so sick of "Copy, credit, meal" provided I could punch someone. (I wish at the very least someone would change that cliche phrase; We NEVER get a copy, nobody cares about the worthless credit, and the meal probably stinks.)
Ive applied for probably a hundred jobs in the last months, jobs which I was OVERqualified for, many even freebees (trying to learn the Red camera), I maybe got 3 responses. And at least one I remember was reportedly a scam. I wonder most of the time, especially the "Production Assistant" listings, if they're even real, if the people that posted it are just lonely and wanna see mail in their inbox. (Like the Niborg's from "Glengary Glen Ross") Because no one ever gets back, at least not to me. I'm just completely fed up, this entire "crew listing" has become essentially useless, besides a pool of free labor for many "directors" and "producers" preying on film school kids.
Here's some advice to all you wannabe crew members just moving here: Unless your union brother in law is gonna get you in someplace? FIND ANOTHER LINE OF WORK. Because this has become virtually impossible.
Location: (Frustrated-ville)
Compensation: Ha ha. "Pay". In your dreams.
...when the "Crew Gigs" section at least once in a while would actually PAY? When at least once in a while, it would be a significant project; a short film, a low budget feature shot on 35 or 16. Before all these digital cameras came on the market and completely saturated it with wannabe "filmmakers", so that every jerk with a credit card and a camera calls himself a director and wants to hire nothing but free crew on here? Im so sick of "Copy, credit, meal" provided I could punch someone. (I wish at the very least someone would change that cliche phrase; We NEVER get a copy, nobody cares about the worthless credit, and the meal probably stinks.)
Ive applied for probably a hundred jobs in the last months, jobs which I was OVERqualified for, many even freebees (trying to learn the Red camera), I maybe got 3 responses. And at least one I remember was reportedly a scam. I wonder most of the time, especially the "Production Assistant" listings, if they're even real, if the people that posted it are just lonely and wanna see mail in their inbox. (Like the Niborg's from "Glengary Glen Ross") Because no one ever gets back, at least not to me. I'm just completely fed up, this entire "crew listing" has become essentially useless, besides a pool of free labor for many "directors" and "producers" preying on film school kids.
Here's some advice to all you wannabe crew members just moving here: Unless your union brother in law is gonna get you in someplace? FIND ANOTHER LINE OF WORK. Because this has become virtually impossible.
Location: (Frustrated-ville)
Compensation: Ha ha. "Pay". In your dreams.
Saturday, October 10, 2009
FILM MAKERS PAY ATTENTION
Date: 2009-10-10, 3:43PM PDT
It is no secret that we are in an economic crises that is severely effecting this job market. There are low life scum sucking scavengers out there that are taking advantage and feeding off this difficult time to price very skilled pros out of work. Because the technology has become so user friendly and cheap allows these low lives to believe that anybody can do it... therefore underpay or worse not want to pay. We all know, as pros, that this work takes skill, training, hard work, time and a financial investment. And when we do accept work at these deplorable offers, which I have been guilty of out of desperation, it always seems to turn into a nightmare. I'm sure most of you have experienced this crap! Well enough is enough!!! I know its tough to turn down any work at this time but with so many of us competing for the same gig they get us by the balls until they hear the price they want which is usually less than min wage. We, as freelancers are not unionized or protected in anyway. A precedent needs to be set! Please friends, I implore you, if only for one week DO NOT ACCEPT ANY JOBS FOR UNDER 200 per day, which is really less than the rental of some equipment. If we stick to a bottom line price, maybe just maybe, some of these cheap dirt bags will get the idea. They need us! But lets not allow them to exploit us anymore.
It is no secret that we are in an economic crises that is severely effecting this job market. There are low life scum sucking scavengers out there that are taking advantage and feeding off this difficult time to price very skilled pros out of work. Because the technology has become so user friendly and cheap allows these low lives to believe that anybody can do it... therefore underpay or worse not want to pay. We all know, as pros, that this work takes skill, training, hard work, time and a financial investment. And when we do accept work at these deplorable offers, which I have been guilty of out of desperation, it always seems to turn into a nightmare. I'm sure most of you have experienced this crap! Well enough is enough!!! I know its tough to turn down any work at this time but with so many of us competing for the same gig they get us by the balls until they hear the price they want which is usually less than min wage. We, as freelancers are not unionized or protected in anyway. A precedent needs to be set! Please friends, I implore you, if only for one week DO NOT ACCEPT ANY JOBS FOR UNDER 200 per day, which is really less than the rental of some equipment. If we stick to a bottom line price, maybe just maybe, some of these cheap dirt bags will get the idea. They need us! But lets not allow them to exploit us anymore.
Thursday, October 8, 2009
Free Music for Film?
Date: 2009-10-07, 11:39PM PDT
We spent lots and lots of money making a ton of episodes for a project, hiring all sorts of positions like directors and editors and directors of photography and costume designers and actors.
We feel really proud of our near-final product.
Now we need to put some music in, but we're not going to even think about paying anyone anything for it. We figure we might as well just give up on that, because music is free. Laaa!! See? Plus, if we can rape a few budding composers, we're sure to get the product we want, right? LOTS of films have been released that pay composers zero dollars, right? It's not a technical position that requires specialized knowledge of equipment or techniques, right? I've seen people playing the piano in old-time movie houses, like when people are tied on the train tracks and they play all those scary chords when that handlebar moustache dude in the cape is acting all suspicious. That's all there is to it, right?
So anyway, we'll be sure to include your name on our project and put you in the IMDB and give you a copy. Because a project that pays no money to its composer is sure to go places! You'll be a STAH!!
Seriously, though, no money. NOTHIN'.
Location: Here
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re: Free Music for Film? (craigslist)
Date: 2009-10-08, 11:03AM PDT
The worst part about posting that joke gig?
The responses I got from a few composers who were genuinely interested in applying for the job.
Oy.
Shame on you. You deserve more than "nothing," buddy!
My kingdom for a composer's union!
Location: craigslist
We spent lots and lots of money making a ton of episodes for a project, hiring all sorts of positions like directors and editors and directors of photography and costume designers and actors.
We feel really proud of our near-final product.
Now we need to put some music in, but we're not going to even think about paying anyone anything for it. We figure we might as well just give up on that, because music is free. Laaa!! See? Plus, if we can rape a few budding composers, we're sure to get the product we want, right? LOTS of films have been released that pay composers zero dollars, right? It's not a technical position that requires specialized knowledge of equipment or techniques, right? I've seen people playing the piano in old-time movie houses, like when people are tied on the train tracks and they play all those scary chords when that handlebar moustache dude in the cape is acting all suspicious. That's all there is to it, right?
So anyway, we'll be sure to include your name on our project and put you in the IMDB and give you a copy. Because a project that pays no money to its composer is sure to go places! You'll be a STAH!!
Seriously, though, no money. NOTHIN'.
Location: Here
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re: Free Music for Film? (craigslist)
Date: 2009-10-08, 11:03AM PDT
The worst part about posting that joke gig?
The responses I got from a few composers who were genuinely interested in applying for the job.
Oy.
Shame on you. You deserve more than "nothing," buddy!
My kingdom for a composer's union!
Location: craigslist
Friday, October 2, 2009
Volunteer vs. Intern etc
Date: 2009-10-02, 3:39PM PDT
I understand that budgets are tight.
I also disagree with people who say that if you don't have trucks of money you shouldn't make your film.
Based on that I also think that it's ok to ask someone to volunteer to work on your project for any number of reasons.
But do not confuse internships with volunteerism. Internships have strict guidelines and must follow minimum wage laws. They also must be worked out "in advance" with "accredited" institutions. One day on set is not an internship. Passing out flyers is not an internship.
If you want people to "donate" their time and resources ask for volunteers.
If you are offering below minimum wage realize you are asking people to invest in your project.
Internships are different.
Look here http://cpm.aiga.org/content.cfm/be-smart-about-student-internships
or here: https://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/opinion/FLSANA/2004/2004_05_17_05FLSA_NA_internship.htm
I understand that budgets are tight.
I also disagree with people who say that if you don't have trucks of money you shouldn't make your film.
Based on that I also think that it's ok to ask someone to volunteer to work on your project for any number of reasons.
But do not confuse internships with volunteerism. Internships have strict guidelines and must follow minimum wage laws. They also must be worked out "in advance" with "accredited" institutions. One day on set is not an internship. Passing out flyers is not an internship.
If you want people to "donate" their time and resources ask for volunteers.
If you are offering below minimum wage realize you are asking people to invest in your project.
Internships are different.
Look here http://cpm.aiga.org/content.cfm/be-smart-about-student-internships
or here: https://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/opinion/FLSANA/2004/2004_05_17_05FLSA_NA_internship.htm
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